NO2ID Edinburgh

Previous meetings

Meetings

  1. 15 June 2010
  2. 23 February 2010
  3. 26 October 2009
  4. 30 June 2009
  5. 1 May 2009
  6. 24 February 2009
  7. 20 January 2009
  8. 26 November 2008
  9. 8 October 2008
  10. 27 May 2008
  11. 30 April 2008
  12. 5 March 2008
  13. 30 January 2008
  14. 27 November 2007
  15. 20 September 2007
  16. 25 June 2007
  17. 30 May 2007
  18. 8 March 2007
  19. 4 December 2006
  20. 25 October 2006
  21. 28 June 2006
  22. 12 April 2006
  23. 26 January 2006

30 April 2008 – Iain Smith MSP (Lib Dem)

NO2ID should emphasise the dangers of the database rather than the ID card itself.

Mr Smith had kindly agreed to speak at short notice as the original speaker, Margaret Smith who also was a Lib Dem MSP, was indisposed.

He said that the Liberals had a strong historical association with supporting civil liberties going back to the time of slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries.

It was that aspect of policy which had attracted him to join the party.

Database danger

He emphasized that it was the database that was the problem – NO2ID should put emphasis on the dangers of the database rather than the ID card itself.

Databases were everywhere nowadays. Showing his Nectar card, he said he had bought a shredder with his Nectar bonus points, which was somewhat ironic.

The dangers of databases increased with their size: the ID card database would be the most dangerous ever created.

Individual's rights

There was a contrast between the liberties of the many compared with the liberties of the individual. Labour seemed to be unable to comprehend individuals' rights.

Opponents of ID cards had been characterized as being weak on anti-terrorism, which was nonsense.

Detention without charge for 28 days was already longer than in any democratic country and no case had been made for extending the limit. Other means could be used, for example phone-tap evidence and removing the ban on post-charge questioning.

There was no evidence whatever that ID cards would reduce terrorism, despite what the Home Office website said, and ID cards would promote ID theft rather than prevent it.

The way to keep data secure was not to keep it in the first place. Health and finance data were at risk, giving increased scope for fraud and blackmail.

Tools for a police state

How would future governments use these data? Why did Labour need them? We must guard against any government acquiring the tools for a police state.

Already such tools tended to be used against ethnic minorities. ID cards also threatened freedom of travel.

Combating terrorism was an ever-present justification for restrictions, even when there was no evidence.

Costs

ID cards would cost up to £18 billion over ten years. The Lib Dem policy would be to spend the money elsewhere.

ID cards were likely to cost up to £300 per person. Lib Dems would continue to fight against their introduction.

There would be a good chance of abandonment if Labour did not have an overall majority after the next Westminster election.

Birthday

Mr Smith's birthday was the following day and he was presented with DVDs of the feature film "Taking Liberties" and the group's own ID-Day Demonstration.