NO2ID Edinburgh

Previous meetings

Meetings

  1. 15 June 2010
  2. 23 February 2010
  3. 26 October 2009
  4. 30 June 2009
  5. 1 May 2009
  6. 24 February 2009
  7. 20 January 2009
  8. 26 November 2008
  9. 8 October 2008
  10. 27 May 2008
  11. 30 April 2008
  12. 5 March 2008
  13. 30 January 2008
  14. 27 November 2007
  15. 20 September 2007
  16. 25 June 2007
  17. 30 May 2007
  18. 8 March 2007
  19. 4 December 2006
  20. 25 October 2006
  21. 28 June 2006
  22. 12 April 2006
  23. 26 January 2006

26 January 2006 – Mark Ballard MSP (Green)

Mr Ballard concentrated on the more political aspects of the scheme, such as why they were being proposed at this time.

There had been simple ID cards during WW2 but these had been abolished in 1952 as being un-British in peacetime.

There had, however, been continual proposals to reintroduce them as a universal solution to solve a problem of the time, for example to deal with 1980s football hooliganism.

Moral panic

Now they were intended to combat illegal immigration, benefits fraud and identity theft. A prime reason had been an attempt to outflank the Conservatives on crime prior to the 2005 election.

The proposals were introduced in an atmosphere of moral panic, not because there was a special need.

Compulsion

In the summer of 2005 Labour had a majority of only 31. To gain this majority, the Home Secretary had been forced to concede that there would be no compulsion to show a card on demand.

The whole concept would not work if it were not compulsory.

Opposition

There had been much debate about costs. The government line was that costs should be confidential, which was a nonsense.

The Lords had voted this week that entering a personal record on National Identity Register (NIR) should be voluntary.

The Scottish Green Party had made a motion, gaining cross-party support except from Labour and Lib Dems, asking to what purpose the NIR would be put in Scotland.

Corporate motives

Labour party members were not particularly enthusiastic about ID cards. It was IT companies, especially EDS, who were the most active proponents.

It was EDS that produced the disastrous Child Support Agency system.

Another company was pursuing iris recognition using technology which was not yet developed, on the assumption that it would be ready when it was required.

Recipe for disaster

The whole ID technology enterprise was comparable to the Scottish Parliament building project – it had become a matter of pride and prestige divorced from its intrinsic value.

The biometric systems being proposed were the most advanced in the world. The requirements kept changing. Both were a recipe for technological disaster.

Useless

Mr Ballard's forecast was that to get the scheme accepted there would have to be so many concessions that the resulting scheme would be useless.

Even for those who wanted a compulsory ID card, this would be the worst of all possible schemes.

Discussion

There followed about 45 minutes of wide-ranging discussion. Points raised included: